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My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Greetings

This would be my first post on this forum, and if my next purchase goes through, not my last. I have wanted a 4x4 since I was a little boy and have been offered a good deal on a Pajero. I have never bought a off-road vehicle before, and would really appreciate some advice on the matter.

The beast in question is a beautifully preserved 2001 Gen3 3.5l V6 LWB GLS A/T. It has just short of 200,000km on the clock. The vehicle has only had one owner, who is an old family friend of mine. It has a full service history, and sits proudly on a new set of rubber. It is absolutely bog standard. The owner has agreed to do the 200,000km service before selling it to me.

I am looking to create an awesome overland vehicle to allow me to journey the road lesser traveled.

To get to the point, I have given this purchase much thought, and have heard many contrasting opinions on the matter. Many people think it is a terrible idea to purchase a vehicle with such high-mileage. Others think that the petrol cost's will bankrupt me. I previously had my heart set on a Hilux, but this passion was quickly quenched by the realisation that I would be spending far more than I could afford to get a reliable one. I only have to skim over this forum to realise that these cars are very lovable indeed, and the thought of owning one certainly gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

My major concerns would be that there is an issue with drivetrain requiring extensive and expensive repair work.

So here we go ...
  1. What would be a fair price to pay for this vehicle? I have been told it has a trade-in value of R91,400 and a market value of R118,500. However others have said an offer of R80,000 would be fair. Any thoughts?
  2. I have never driven an automatic car, and would previously think it would be a terrible idea for a high-mileage car. However I have read that the INVECS-II gearbox is a bloody good piece of kit and nothing to be ashamed of. Is this something I should be wary about, or can I purchase this car without fear of a looming R40k repair job to replace the tranny in 6 months time?
  3. The fuel consumption is a (minor) concern, however I do not drive far to work in the morning and the bulk of the fuel costs will be my monthly long trips out of town. I currently drive an Opel Corsa which gets me about 8l/100km. I am budgeting for between 12-18l/100km around town with this vehicle which I can currently afford. Is this a reasonable expectation?
  4. As this will be my only car, I need it to be reliable. 200,000km sounds like a hell-of-a-lot to me for a car, but the owner has looked after it fastidiously, and this does increase my confidence in the purchase. What kind of problems can I expect to encounter, and is it silly to expect reliability at this mileage? The fact that the car is the GLS version with all the bells and whistles makes me worry that there is more to go wrong :) However I am a mechanical engineer by trade and do not mind rolling my sleeves up and getting dirty.
  5. Is there anything else I should look for with this car before purchasing it?
Thanks so much for your help, I look forward to hearing from all of you as I need to make a decision this week.
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Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Welcome to the family

Unhappy Pajero owners are few and far between and on this forum I am not aware of any with serious doubts over their purchase. As an overlander it holds its pose with any other vehicle out there while providing superior high speed road holding and better ride comfort and at 7km/l would be more economical than most. Unfortunately it would seem as if the mitsu 3.5 is an ugly looking engine as there are not many folks that stop at the side of the road to admire their power plant :twisted:

Have a look at the thread of high mileage vehicles on this forum and you will see the endurance of the marque.
https://www.pajeroclub.co.za/forum/view ... f=55&t=407
This topic is already running at 13 pages and counting and can give you an indication of what to expect. I opened a 3l engine at 180k and there was no ridge and all specs were well within manufacturers range. This I did not expect and when I made a comment to 4e he just smiled and replied that the engine was just run in :twisted: It is often said that the v6 mitsu motor is about bullet proof and that is certainly true for the bottom end. You might find the hydraulic lifters a bit noisy but I overcome this problem by overfilling the oil by about 500ml and using a good quality oil to do so.

You will find that there are a lot of knowledgeable folks on this forum and collectively we can just about teach Mitsubishi a thing or two so if you are not afraid of getting your hands dirty you would have no trouble keeping the baby healthy and happy for many moons.

The auto trannie is not known to give major problems so I would not be too concerned. You might find that the springs and shocks are a bit tired but those are consumables in any case and a decent after market system like Old Man Emu is worth its weight in gold, it not only improves road holding and safety but improves articulation. This brings me to the achilles heel of the Pajero, articulation is not the best and a bit more driver input and clever choosing of drive line is needed on hectic trails but for overlanding you would not notice it.

One thing I would do is to replace all the hoses just as a precautionary measure and if the 200k k service does not include it the water pump as well, this is peace of mind at low cost.
Henk Bannink

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Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Parabola,
I have a 99 Blister Fender 3.5 quadcam.
Recently did a complete service overhaul including waterpump , all hoses, oil pump, heads incl lifters.
What I saw after 200 000 km was the following: The origanal hone marks from factory was still clearly visible in the sleeves. Since the heads were removed I was advised to take engine out and do new rings and bearings and re- hone sleeves.
to change oil pump is a major undertaking.
The engine is running like a brand new one - just hope it stays like that since I did not have any sleeve cutting done.
These 3.5 motors is renowned for delivering high kilometers.
Just do not let it overheat . It is a killer for this motor.
As Henk said there might be a few nigles but it can easilly be fixed.
Browse arround the forum and ask the questions. you will find no lies but only true facts.
Price wise I am no specialist but anything from 100 000 or less will be a good price and as you said all services done and good body condition I will go for it anytime.
good Luck
Davidvan
Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Welcome,

I would suggest checking the following items:
200K service should include belts so a good time to replace the water pump, or consider it based on cost
Check for oil leaks by transfer case as well as by cams, the latter is easy to repair.
Check the 4x4 system, once engaged all lights shouldnot be flashing, check the rear diff lock as well.
Check cv boots
Check for any signs of smoke
Check rear shafts for signs of oil
Check temp gauge, some units have gone faulty, mine did and shows erratic temps.
Get someone to check engine mountings and wheel bearings

They are fantastic vehicles, very happy since I got mine 4 years ago.

Hope that helps

Cheers

David
Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Welcome to the club I assume that you will buy the 3.5 It is a grand 4*4 and unstoppable. Biggest worry is overheating, so check the hoses, also the interior heater pipes. If you check the forums, you will see these have very little problems on the gearboxes, suspension or engine. Have Fun!
If you can feel the grass between your toe's, your flying too low!
3.5 GLS F/LIF 1998 Lost to the x wife
3200 Tdi GSL 2001 Written off
3200 Di-D 5Dr A/T 2002 338 000 Sold
3500i A/T 5Dr 2001 Sold
3.2 Di-Dc GLS A/T 2008
parabola
Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
Thanks for all the advice guys, it did wonders to improve my purchasing confidence.

I took the car for a test drive today and came back with such a beaming grin on my face that I decided to buy it. Will be taking ownership at the end of the month. To say I'm ecstatic would be an understatement of epic proportions. Despite some minor cosmetic niggles on the bumpers, the car is faultless and all features work brilliantly. I was especially impressed with the smoothness of power delivery from the automatic transmission. The tiptronic mode was a major contributor to the lingering smile on my face :D

Looking forward to many happy kilometers with my new friend.
woodk
Re: My first Pajero - buying advice needed
200 000 km is nothing! I used to work in Saudi Arabia on the rigs & we had a number of Pajeros that got hammered & mistreated every day of their lives, hardly ever travelled on tar, were serviced regularly by the guys on the rigs, never saw an agent's workshop, as the closest town was 600km away & the closest agent 800km away. When I left the Gen 3 V6 LWB had just over 780 000km on the clock & the 3.2 DID LWB a little over 500 000km. The various Crusers we had lasted just as well, but never had the same ride quality. That is why I drive a Gen 3 GLS 3.2DID LWB, but I have only done 150 000km with it so far & it has not let me down yet.

You will find that the most common reason for opening the bonnet is to fill the window washing bottle! :D
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