On uphill the last session was like 2.5 feet deep thick slush all vehicles which attempted was winched out..I dint try it as was tired of being winched:)
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On uphill the last session was like 2.5 feet deep thick slush all vehicles which attempted was winched out..I dint try it as was tired of being winched:)
On uphill the last session was like 2.5 feet deep thick slush all vehicles which attempted was winched out..I dint try it as was tired of being winched:)
Hi Josef,
The suggestions still apply, protect, lift and I would also suggest more appropriate tyres, that does not look good for HT, even AT may struggle, MT looks appropriate. As for the Gen4 TC, I cannot comment, I have the Gen3 with rear Diff Lock. The downhill control is a challenge, perhaps the torque converter lockup kit, may assist. I would suggest some local training, going in a big group like that can intimidating and unnerving as well, usually resulting in damage. The main key there appears to be traction, control and momentum, you would not get that on HT tyres. Tell us about some of the other vehicles, can't see much detail in the pics.
Don't go with guys that have years of experience and expect to keep up, you usually come back with a few dings and scratches.
I have a few too
. Josef what tyres were the other guys using. Do you get training in India from Mitsubishi or some accredited place?
The Paj is good offroad, don't write it off, that was just a bit of school fees. I also started big, made a few dings, played, tried and tested, now happy to go most anywhere. You cannot read how to 4x4, you have to learn under the most appropriate conditions for you and you Paj.
Cheers
David
The suggestions still apply, protect, lift and I would also suggest more appropriate tyres, that does not look good for HT, even AT may struggle, MT looks appropriate. As for the Gen4 TC, I cannot comment, I have the Gen3 with rear Diff Lock. The downhill control is a challenge, perhaps the torque converter lockup kit, may assist. I would suggest some local training, going in a big group like that can intimidating and unnerving as well, usually resulting in damage. The main key there appears to be traction, control and momentum, you would not get that on HT tyres. Tell us about some of the other vehicles, can't see much detail in the pics.
Don't go with guys that have years of experience and expect to keep up, you usually come back with a few dings and scratches.
I have a few too
. Josef what tyres were the other guys using. Do you get training in India from Mitsubishi or some accredited place?The Paj is good offroad, don't write it off, that was just a bit of school fees. I also started big, made a few dings, played, tried and tested, now happy to go most anywhere. You cannot read how to 4x4, you have to learn under the most appropriate conditions for you and you Paj.
Cheers
David
Hey David thanks for ur inputs yes I need some training def but sadly no training in India..what does H stands for HT tyres?How does torque converter lockup kit work?has anyone installed them on gen 4?
Among the 70 vehicles most where mahindra jeeps then gen 2 pajero, Suzuki gypsy,80 series landcruiser,prado swb, land rover, polaris ATV's:)I was the only gen 4..most of the jeeps where using MT Tyres... most of the experienced drivers where also winched up..
Like u said I need experience but im not goin to write off my pajero:)
Wow, that looks fairly intense.
I'm surprised that the ABS did not kick in on the down hills.
Although I'm inclined to agree on the extent of the engine braking, Hill decent control systems normally use the brakes in any case and I've found them also not to be slow enough as well.
Your biggest problem (judging by the extent of mud) was your tyres. It affects everything, significantly. No grip means you can't do things slowly and smoothly, which is the key to not damaging the car. No amount of traction control or engine braking helps if you don't have grip.
Not sure of the actual definition of HT, but we affectionally refer to it as Highway Terrain. Means a road tyre with thin grooves, and basically becomes as smooth as soap in thick mud.
I'm surprised that the ABS did not kick in on the down hills.
Although I'm inclined to agree on the extent of the engine braking, Hill decent control systems normally use the brakes in any case and I've found them also not to be slow enough as well.
Your biggest problem (judging by the extent of mud) was your tyres. It affects everything, significantly. No grip means you can't do things slowly and smoothly, which is the key to not damaging the car. No amount of traction control or engine braking helps if you don't have grip.
Not sure of the actual definition of HT, but we affectionally refer to it as Highway Terrain. Means a road tyre with thin grooves, and basically becomes as smooth as soap in thick mud.
Thanks for the Pics Josef,
Looks like some real fun muddy conditions, I have never experienced a muddy route such as this, nor do I have the TC enabled Pajero. I would suggest a good set of mud tyres, saw the 1 jeep had tractor tyres, which bears testament conditions. In the surroundings of thoise vehicles, I would suggest, Mud tyres, protection plates, be careful of the petrol tank, if it takes a knock it can be expensive to replace. Then definately a 40-50mm lift, 1 size larger if possible on a good set of Mud terrain if you would be driving those types of conditions often. On the other vehicles they are terrain specific type vehicles, so some type of damage may be more common on the Paj. HT stands or highway terrain so definately not make more than 5 metres in those conditions before they were completely clogged up. Will wait for the TC guys to add some suggestions.
Will see if I can find some training videos which may assist, general 4x4 videos not for Pajero only.
If you have some videos, would be great to see on youtube as well. May help with some of the advice from the guys.
Cheers
David
Looks like some real fun muddy conditions, I have never experienced a muddy route such as this, nor do I have the TC enabled Pajero. I would suggest a good set of mud tyres, saw the 1 jeep had tractor tyres, which bears testament conditions. In the surroundings of thoise vehicles, I would suggest, Mud tyres, protection plates, be careful of the petrol tank, if it takes a knock it can be expensive to replace. Then definately a 40-50mm lift, 1 size larger if possible on a good set of Mud terrain if you would be driving those types of conditions often. On the other vehicles they are terrain specific type vehicles, so some type of damage may be more common on the Paj. HT stands or highway terrain so definately not make more than 5 metres in those conditions before they were completely clogged up. Will wait for the TC guys to add some suggestions.
Will see if I can find some training videos which may assist, general 4x4 videos not for Pajero only.
If you have some videos, would be great to see on youtube as well. May help with some of the advice from the guys.
Cheers
David
Hi there
I have the same car as you and have also added an ARB diff lock to help with traction.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that for those conditions you have the wrong tyres on. Only mud terrain tyres should have been on that surface.
Its a bit like being at the ice rink with cricket shoes on and wondering what is wrong with your performance compared to all the other skaters.
Your car needs difffernt shoes.
I have the same car as you and have also added an ARB diff lock to help with traction.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that for those conditions you have the wrong tyres on. Only mud terrain tyres should have been on that surface.
Its a bit like being at the ice rink with cricket shoes on and wondering what is wrong with your performance compared to all the other skaters.
Your car needs difffernt shoes.
So less engine breaking was also due to wrong tyres? After the tyre got burst i left the car there and came down on a mates gen 2 pajero and those where also on normal tyres but it had more engine breaking than mine and was slow in slopes and was in control...
Is it coz the gen 4 pajero is very heavy with wrong tyres on? Also y din't the ABS work?
Is it coz the gen 4 pajero is very heavy with wrong tyres on? Also y din't the ABS work?
yes, gen4 heavier
Also, Gen2 LWB or SWB? Weight difference is around 400kg last I checked the factory weights.
Also, Gen2 LWB or SWB? Weight difference is around 400kg last I checked the factory weights.
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Using HT tyres on a muddy trail is about as appropriate as racing a F1 car on mud-terrains! 
I have seen a video clip of a Range Rover (which is a very good SUV) where he could not drive out of a muddy parking area, simply because it was shod with low profile road biased tyres!
I have seen a video clip of a Range Rover (which is a very good SUV) where he could not drive out of a muddy parking area, simply because it was shod with low profile road biased tyres!
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The video in question4ePajero wrote:Using HT tyres on a muddy trail is about as appropriate as racing a F1 car on mud-terrains!
I have seen a video clip of a Range Rover (which is a very good SUV) where he could not drive out of a muddy parking area, simply because it was shod with low profile road biased tyres!
http://www.boobootv.com/2010/07/13/fail ... ch-of-mud/
The lock up kit can not lock the gen4's torque converter in 1st or reverse due to the valve body design.