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Fuel Additives - Offer to test
Hi all

I received this email. I'm no great fan of potential snake-oils, but the supplier is willing to offer it to forum members for test purposes (as well as his fuel slips for scrutiny :| ).

Let me know if you are interested and I will forward the appropriate details.
Hi, Many thanks for your forum, it has saved me an lot of time and allowed me to learn a lot about my vehicle. I am the very happy owner of a 2004 3.2 DiD but was a bit shocked by the fuel consumption - 16.7 l / 100km. I recently started using an American product called XFT (fuel additive by Syntek) and the Paj's fuel consumption dropped to quite dramatically. I have the fuel slips and witnesses to prove this. I would like to tell the 4x4 community about this but I know that many have been bitten by other products which have not worked. I would like to propose sending XFT to at least two Forum members to test and, if they experience savings (and an increase in performance, lower emissions, lubricity and lower operating temperatures), then I would be confident to introduce it to the 4x4 community. I will be happy to send you any information you require (MSDS, test data etc.) about the product. If you agree, please would you let me know which two Forum members I may approach, and their email addresses. My contact details are below. I'm based in Sandton and will arrange the shipping of the XFT. Thank you for your time and your great website. Kind regards Greg Booysen
Simon Bloomer
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I am wary of products which try to hide their contents. The MSDS for the product could not be found or is riddled with "trade secrets".

From what I can gather (I am not a chemical boffin), it seems to contain Napthenic Oil and Triazinetriethanol, the latter is a known carcinogenic substance.

From that, no thanks!

PS If your 3.2 Di-D uses 16.7 l/100km, it needs more than a fuel treatment!
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I'd be prepared to be a guinea pig, unless anyone thinks short term use will damage my engine.

I drive a 3500 V6
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Hmmm doing some quick research..

Multi-level Marketing... always a big red flag in my book.

Then I came across this which means it' just more snake oil by the looks of it
I have encountered them before. They have really slick marketing videos and they sound really great and talk about the kinds of things that make sense. They have studied what is the right things to say to sound credible anyways.

However, you have to look at their MSDS sheet to get a clue as to what they are doing. I have also posted it on the bottom as well.

https://issuu.com/makeyourgaslast/docs/xft-msds

On the surface, it is hard to understand what is in it as they have proprietary and trade secret on the content area which stops most people.

First of all they mention in section II the following:

Proprietary OIL compound NA Trade Secret
Proprietary Compound NA Trade Secret
Proprietary Compound II NA Trade Secret
Proprietary Distillate NA Trade Secret
Proprietary Solvent NA Trade Secret

Section III

Gives us a little more info on the 6.88 specific gravity. So if water is 8.34 lbs per gallon at 60 deg F we know it is lighter than water therefore is some kind of oil.

Section IV

It has a flash point of 164 deg F (P.M.C.C.) That is Pensky Martin Closed Cup method of obtaining flash point. So it is combustible and has a relatively high flash for a fuel additive. Again we know this is an oil based material due to this info.

However, if you read their other portions of the MSDS (Section VI) you can determine some of the contents that they have.

"This proprietary AMINE compound is a mild eye irritant." Amino acids combine under heat with copper and vanadium to produce gum and varnish. Yes aminos help clean varnish off the injectors but then puts it right back on in the combustion cycle.

Here we see the first inclination that we are right that it is an oil by the Napthenic Oil (causing skin and eye irritation). This is a lower BTU Light cycle type oil that is generally a carrier of another compound that would be the active ingredient in the product. I would say that the oil is in the 80% range anyway.

Now for one of the active ingredients: Hexahydro- 1,3,5-triethyl-s-triazine which is a biocide/bacteriacide additive. Triazine is the chemical species of six-membered heterocyclic ring compound with three nitrogens replacing carbon-hydrogen units in the benzene ring structure. The names of the three isomers indicate which of the carbon-hydrogen units on the benzene ring position of the molecule have been replaced by nitrogens, called 1,2,3-triazine, 1,2,4-triazine, and 1,3,5-triazine respectively.

Triazine compounds are used in formulating bactericide and fungicide. They are used as preservatives in oil field applications. They are used as disinfectant, industrial deodorant and biocide in water treatment. They are used as a bleaching agent.

The amine compound would be Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine also known as RDX for the ignition compound.

This is commonly as RDX. RDX, which also goes by cyclonite, is a white crystalline solid that has been used extensively in military munitions formulations since 1965. When it burns, it leaves residues in the cylinder bores that are not converted.

RDX exerts its primary toxic effect on the central nervous system (CNS) of humans. This is very dangerous stuff!

Chronic or subchronic exposure to RDX by inhalation is characterized by generalized convulsions headaches, nausea, vomiting, and unconsciousness. Seizures may be followed by temporary amnesia, disorientation, and weakness. RDX ends up in the kidneys, followed by the brain, heart, and liver.

Not exactly a green product! By what else I have found about their materials, they claim some kind of benefits in combustion, but when I look at all their data and review the distillation curves they actually lower the IBP or initial boiling point by only 1 degree, raise output by only 1 degree in mid point (50%) and lower it at end point 98% compared to baseline fuels. This doesn't really give you any appreciable gain in anything!

Also the fact that they put the same materials in gasoline and diesel fuel really is a red flag here. The compression ratios of our cars are in the 9.6 to 10.5 to 1 ratio and diesel is in the 17.0 to 22.1 range. You should never be able to use the same product in either type engine. Talk about BS!

I have spent some time looking at their data and frankly, there is really nothing here but another snake oil marketing company trying to put out a product that is 80% carrier with 3% to 5% active ingredients using the Green banner......which is popular these days while incorporating technology that is almost 46 years old. I wouldn't touch that stuff without gloves and certainly would not breath it having RDX in it for sure!

Registered it is, but effective only in lining the pockets of those who are selling it.

It was pretty hard to get a copy of the MSDS, so I had to work it out of that format to get it clear to read for everyone!

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC
440-821-9040
http://www.bndautomotive.com
Simon Bloomer
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That's what I said, just not in such erudite terms! :lol:
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Isn't it just great to be part of a community where you learn new things on a daily basis:

ERUDITE
: having or showing knowledge that is gained by studying


Soon I'll be eruditic about my Pajero ownership - I think ;) .
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Yeah, I think I'll pass then. I looked at the cost of the stuff in the US, and it seems it will cost at the very least R50 a tank. Lets say a tank is R1000 (its a little more) thats 5% of my fuel cost. So now it needs to improve more than 5%. Infact, to justify the hassle at least 7 or 8%. And I would probably achieve that with the lighter foot that subconsciously gets applied when trying to prove/disprove a point.

I suppose when you start from a base of 16.7litres/100kms in a 3.2 DiD things can only get SIGNIFICANTLY better....
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RoelfleRoux wrote:Isn't it just great to be part of a community where you learn new things on a daily basis:

ERUDITE
: having or showing knowledge that is gained by studying


Soon I'll be eruditic about my Pajero ownership - I think ;) .
What's the term for gaining knowledge through pain, suffering and malfunctioning stuff around you? Experience?


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Its the same as adding 2stroke...... I have the slips and consumption figures (somewhere anyway) and i gained nothing but odd stares at the garages where I added the 2 Stroke.

I really doubt that these suppliers of all these "snake oils / additives" have the same financial and technical support and also are able to do the relevant tests to really increase fuel efficiency and lower engine temps, better lubrication etc....
I know its in the best interest of the fuel suppliers to make customers buy more product, but in a day and age of "global whining" I doubt they would with hold such a technology.
M2CW.....
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