[KaiV]

If you cant use high lift points to lift a Pajero, how does one change a wheel (or use a lift buddy) for that matter???

If you have a flat, one jacks up the car (on one corner.....) and that is allowed. So, M2CW is why not add high lift points? Sure, they have to be attached in such a manner not to twist or rip the chassis, bit further that that I reckon it is possible.

I have made myself rock sliders (I hate that word) and have had the full weight of my Paj on one of these using my high lift.... I had to reposition my little bottle jack as the Paj moved once up in the air....

[HBannink]

For what it's worth if you have a gen3.

[vvandam]

Won't mounting the hi-lift on the spare wheel cause extra load and wear on the door hinges? The jack weighs a ton

[tonton]

Won't mounting the hi-lift on the spare wheel cause extra load and wear on the door hinges? The jack weighs a ton

Yes, it does, but in the absence of a roofrack or bull/nudgebar, that is probably better than fixing it to the (thin) steel of the body, eg. Robin's fitment:



Anton

[4ePajero]

by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!!

A bit late, but here is the truth,for your records:

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[JohanV]

I apologize before had for my non-educated comment and question.

So what that artical says is that a Hi-lift Jack should produce a force of 31kN and maybe some of the body panels might be distorted after a few years of use

Snatch recovery uses kinetic energy (The worst the test did was 31kN )

A highlift jack is more of static energy or am i missing the plot completely?
is static energy not the same as the mass of the object being moved? like lifting dead weight.

[4ePajero]

I apologize before had for my non-educated comment and question.

So what that artical says is that a Hi-lift Jack should produce a force of 31kN and maybe some of the body panels might be distorted after a few years of use

Snatch recovery uses kinetic energy (The worst the test did was 31kN )

A highlift jack is more of static energy or am i missing the plot completely?
is static energy not the same as the mass of the object being moved? like lifting dead weight.

A few points to take into consideration here:

• The weight of the spare wheel (and jack) is only of concern when the rear door is open. In this situation the weight hangs on the hinges. (I think the brackets are OK for the static load)
• Once the door is closed, the weight is supported by both the hinges and the lock mechanism. Dynamic loads are thus not all on the hinges (unless you drive with the door open)
• dynamic loads are exerted on the bracket (and thus the door panels).
• It is a mute point what dynamic loads are exerted on the bracket, hinges and lock mechanism:
  • the shock load is cushioned by the suspension and tyres
  • the height of any 'jump' will rarely exceed 1m.
• I think the constant vibration / shaking is most likely to damage the brackets and panels, rather than the hinges and lock.

[JohanV]

I apologize before had for my non-educated comment and question.

So what that artical says is that a Hi-lift Jack should produce a force of 31kN and maybe some of the body panels might be distorted after a few years of use

Snatch recovery uses kinetic energy (The worst the test did was 31kN )

A highlift jack is more of static energy or am i missing the plot completely?
is static energy not the same as the mass of the object being moved? like lifting dead weight.

A few points to take into consideration here:

• The weight of the spare wheel (and jack) is only of concern when the rear door is open. In this situation the weight hangs on the hinges. (I think the brackets are OK for the static load)
• Once the door is closed, the weight is supported by both the hinges and the lock mechanism. Dynamic loads are thus not all on the hinges (unless you drive with the door open)
• dynamic loads are exerted on the bracket (and thus the door panels).
• It is a mute point what dynamic loads are exerted on the bracket, hinges and lock mechanism:
  • the shock load is cushioned by the suspension and tyres
  • the height of any 'jump' will rarely exceed 1m.
• I think the constant vibration / shaking is most likely to damage the brackets and panels, rather than the hinges and lock.

but what about using the hilift for lifting purposes?
it doesnt make sence to me that it will twist or break the Gen3 body by using it to lift the pajero to change wheels or lift it out of a ditch.

[4ePikanini]

If a high lift jack might twist the body then what do they suppose the wheels and chassis are doing to the body?

And how are we to change a wheel without some sort of jack lifting the body?

And the forces involved from the chassis to the body in a hard braking maneuver?

[HBannink]

I doubt that the lifting of a corner would negatively affect the vehicle, if that was the case the pajero would bend every time you went rock crawling and lifted a wheel. When I spoke to the agents at sandton mitsu they recommended that we not use the lift and drop method where one lifts the vehicle in the middle and deliberately let it fall over to land in a fresh track. On the other hand the same salesman also told me that mounting a winch would damage the chassis and that it is advisable to stop before selecting 4HLC

After witnessing some of the antics of some of the xtreme folks and their Pajero 3 & 4 I am convinced that the pajero is much tougher than we give it credit for