hi guys.
just went out picked up a lovely brand new hi lift jack,with plate and fancy adapter to fit in the jack point. [gumtree is amazing isnt it]
BUT where the heck do i mount it?
i dont want a roof rack,i havent a fancy front bumper.............
in europe on the you tube vids i always see they have it mounted on the rear spare wheel, is this point strong enough??
its seems a lot of weight on that bracket on the door.
any suggestions?
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Steve
You should have no problems with the weight of the HL jack on the rear door as well as that of the wheel. Your challenge is building a bracket which attaches to the wheel mounting though.
You should have no problems with the weight of the HL jack on the rear door as well as that of the wheel. Your challenge is building a bracket which attaches to the wheel mounting though.
howzit.
well the challenge of building a bracket was easily taken care of, i went down the road to mega store 4x4 and bought one.
it was pricey but nicely enough made and looks a lot neater than what i was thinking of doing.[ R400]
its a copy of the universal bracket that the europeans off road guys use, made by big country i think.
i am still worried about the weight of the hi lift jack,it must be around ten kg.
the guys down at the store were surprised that i was worried about the weight, saying that the rear doors are well "over engineered" .
anyway, still need to cut about 30mm off of it as the jack sticks out that much from the tyre, but doesnt move around too much.
although i went off road a little to test it and it rattles like crazy!!! have to use a bit of inner tube at the bottom of the jack.
by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!!
as it has a mono cromo whats it thingy chassis
WTF !!!
this is after i had just bought the jack and bracket and was asking about lifting points . !!!
now he tells me that i must use a jack buddy on the tyre , any ideas anyone .....................
well the challenge of building a bracket was easily taken care of, i went down the road to mega store 4x4 and bought one.
it was pricey but nicely enough made and looks a lot neater than what i was thinking of doing.[ R400]
its a copy of the universal bracket that the europeans off road guys use, made by big country i think.
i am still worried about the weight of the hi lift jack,it must be around ten kg.
the guys down at the store were surprised that i was worried about the weight, saying that the rear doors are well "over engineered" .
anyway, still need to cut about 30mm off of it as the jack sticks out that much from the tyre, but doesnt move around too much.
although i went off road a little to test it and it rattles like crazy!!! have to use a bit of inner tube at the bottom of the jack.
by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!!
as it has a mono cromo whats it thingy chassis
WTF !!!this is after i had just bought the jack and bracket and was asking about lifting points . !!!
now he tells me that i must use a jack buddy on the tyre , any ideas anyone .....................
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Monocoque Suspension is the term you are referring to. This system is where the passenger compartment forms part of the suspension of the vehicle, from the gen 3 mitsu adopted this system. Previously (gen 1 + 2) a ladder type of suspension was used, in this type the body of the vehicle could be removed without affecting the base. In other words you could safely cut the roof off a gen 1 or 2 and transform it in to a game viewer but if you tried it with a gen3 you would probably end up with the lights pointing at owls in the trees and its belly scraping on the ground.steve wrote:howzit.
although i went off road a little to test it and it rattles like crazy!!! have to use a bit of inner tube at the bottom of the jack.
by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!!
as it has a mono cromo whats it thingy chassis
this is after i had just bought the jack and bracket and was asking about lifting points . !!!
now he tells me that i must use a jack buddy on the tyre , any ideas anyone .....................
A friend of mine has a gen 3 shorty and fitted a bosal or similar tow bar and attached two hi lift points to the sides of the towbar. What the effect of this would be on bending of the chassis I can not say. I know Benhur uses it on the sides of his gen 3 as I have seen the bite marks of a jack jumping forward.
Henk Bannink
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Some people are wise, some people are otherwise
I agree that the Pajero's rear door is very, very solid, but this is by no means the case with all vehicles. Structural issues are not unknown on the rear doors of Prados and Patrols.steve wrote:the guys down at the store were surprised that i was worried about the weight, saying that the rear doors are well "over engineered" .
The dealer is talking drivel.steve wrote:by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!!
as it has a mono cromo whats it thingy chassis
this is after i had just bought the jack and bracket and was asking about lifting points . !!!
now he tells me that i must use a jack buddy on the tyre , any ideas anyone .....................
Firstly, your Pajero has a separate chassis, being a Gen2, so as long as you have well engineered lifting points solidly attached to the chassis, you are OK. You don't have to worry about my second point below.
Secondly, the monocoque structure used in the Gen3 (where there is no separate chassis) is very solidly engineered indeed. The structural strength is still there and is integrated in the body structure, which means that thinner steel gauges can be used for the same total strength and rigidity. One just needs to take care about the way that loads are introduced in to these thinner body plates by things such as towbars, winch plates and lifting points. Typically the best approach is to attach a solid front/rear bumper or rock slider via multiple attachment points to spread the load. The jack can then be used on the bumper/slider to lift the vehicle. Basically one needs to understand the vehicle structure better to successfully attach accesories to a monocoque where a brute force and ignorance approach often works with a separate chassis.
Gerrit Loubser 
2003 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 VX TD
2003 Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T Gone & missed
1999 Nissan Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T: Gone & missed
1996 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T: SOLD
2003 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 VX TD
2003 Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T Gone & missed
1999 Nissan Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T: Gone & missed
1996 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T: SOLD
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I think Henk had too much Single Malt last night... he means chassisHBannink wrote: Monocoque Suspension is the term you are referring to. This system is where the passenger compartment forms part of the suspension of the vehicle, from the gen 3 mitsu adopted this system. Previously (gen 1 + 2) a ladder type of suspension was used
Steve...I would also change offoad accessory dealers because clearly he has no clue as to the vehicles he is supplying accessories for.
Regarding the weight on the door. I have a bicycle carrier which straps to the spare wheel. I have carried two bikes on the back extensively over rough terrain and there's absolutely no sign of any issues. Two bikes plus the carrier are considerably heavier than your High Lift jack.
Simon Bloomer
howzit guys.
thanks for the replys.
i felt such a dick when i tried to argue the fact that my pajero [gen 2] does indeed have what i believed to be a ladder type chassis.
anyway i mounted the jack bracket on the rear spare wheel bracket. must say it looks the business. i still felt a unsure about all the splt pins holding the jack on,so i am in the process of modifying all the pins to nuts and bolts.
i am also going to put bolts through the spare wheel bracket so that the wheel is easier to put on. at the moment you have to hold the spare wheel with one hand,line it up and try and bolt it in place with the other.
maybe possible if you have arms like rambo!
here is a pic, i have since shortened the bracket so the jack fits closer to the wheel.
thanks for the replys.
i felt such a dick when i tried to argue the fact that my pajero [gen 2] does indeed have what i believed to be a ladder type chassis.
anyway i mounted the jack bracket on the rear spare wheel bracket. must say it looks the business. i still felt a unsure about all the splt pins holding the jack on,so i am in the process of modifying all the pins to nuts and bolts.
i am also going to put bolts through the spare wheel bracket so that the wheel is easier to put on. at the moment you have to hold the spare wheel with one hand,line it up and try and bolt it in place with the other.
maybe possible if you have arms like rambo!
here is a pic, i have since shortened the bracket so the jack fits closer to the wheel.
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If thats's the case you're missing the small hanger on your spare wheel bracket. This "hanger' (for want of a better word) allows you to lift the wheel into place and it can carry the weight of the wheel while you line the holes up. If my petite wife can put the spare back, anyone can.steve wrote: i am also going to put bolts through the spare wheel bracket so that the wheel is easier to put on. at the moment you have to hold the spare wheel with one hand,line it up and try and bolt it in place with the other.
maybe possible if you have arms like rambo!
Simon Bloomer
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In Afrikaans we have a saying "'n Goeie begrip het 'n halwe woord nodig" It seems as if this is the one to plead 
Simon read my mind , pity he was not around to proof read my post. As Gerrit said your baby has a separate ladder chassis and can take any decent lifting points or recovery points you want to add without collapsing or bending.
Simon read my mind , pity he was not around to proof read my post. As Gerrit said your baby has a separate ladder chassis and can take any decent lifting points or recovery points you want to add without collapsing or bending.Henk Bannink
Some people are wise, some people are otherwise
Some people are wise, some people are otherwise
aaha, just spotted that small hanger now. seems it was tucked away with the spring all gummed up from dirt and dust.
cheers.
cheers.