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Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:11 am
by REAList
Hi Guys,
I have a Pajero swb 2013 model.
I had a flat tyre today and tried to use the oem supplied jack.
Found it extends too short to clear the tyre for removal on a level concrete floor.
It will be totally useless in sandy conditions.
Has somebody found a better solution.
Any advice welcome.
Thanks,
Johan
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Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:06 am
by cloyd
Johan,
Get an electrical scissor jack. It comes in a plastic carrying case with enough space for some "snotplugs" and its assocciated kit. Adendorfs sell them and I believe Autozone aswell. The jack is rated to lift two tons and plug into a normal cigarette lighter point. The price is approx R700,00 - they also have an electric "wheel spanner". I have used mine a number of times without any problem.
Cloyd
Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:38 pm
by KaiV
Johan
Are you sure the jack extended all the way? Mine's been very good so far.
The jack has a double ram and the first time I had to use it, the second stage was a mission. But once it started going, it worked like a charm.
Also, you sure you put it in the right position? Was it front or rear?
Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:49 pm
by LowRange
Johan
Make sure it has enough oil in it. I remember years ago when I used mine for the first time (brand new) it had basically no oil in.

Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:49 am
by REAList
Guys,
Thanks for the quick responses.
I looked in the manual for the position to put the jack (this was the right rear) and used the wrong point (in a hurry).

So the final verdict is yes, the jack can do it - but only on a level floor.

I travel a lot outdoors and will need to find a reliable solution. This thingy will never do the job in the kgalagadi (we luv it) where there is real sand.
I will measure the "flat tyre" heigths and get an oversize replacement from Adendorfs, which is real cheap.
The other, very important, problem I had was getting the rim unstuck. This necessitated knocking it from the inside, whilst rotating it, with a big hammer.
I dont see myself doing this in the wilderness.

I see the need to take the rims of and putting copper compound on the insides. Anybody done this?
The Yokohama tyres have now done 40k km and seems due for replacement. Seems low to me. The flat was caused by windscreen glass driving past an accident scene. Lol
Any good tyres to reccommend. I am not saving money on tyres.
I luv this swb. Personal transport for my swambo and weekender. It has never let us down and we are getting very good dealership supprt everywhere.
Enjoy the long weekend.
Johan
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Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:33 am
by RoelfleRoux
I always carry a second hydraulic jack in the car. The OEM one can definitely do the trick, but a second one can make the big difference when conditions are tough.
Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:50 am
by KaiV
REAList wrote:.. and used the wrong point (in a hurry).

So the final verdict is yes, the jack can do it - but only on a level floor.

Thought so
I've had a few flats. Ground IMHO does not need to be flat, but rather able to carry the "point" load of the jack. I have a board int he car I use if the ground is soft.
REAList wrote:I travel a lot outdoors and will need to find a reliable solution. This thingy will never do the job in the kgalagadi (we luv it) where there is real sand.
High lift jack. Easy enough to attach to a roof rack. Then again I lift the car on the sliders
REAList wrote:I will measure the "flat tyre" heigths and get an oversize replacement from Adendorfs, which is real cheap.
Goedkoop is duurkoop..... Stay away from that Chinese Junk IMHO
REAList wrote:The other, very important, problem I had was getting the rim unstuck. This necessitated knocking it from the inside, whilst rotating it, with a big hammer.
?????????
REAList wrote:...
I see the need to take the rims of and putting copper compound on the insides. Anybody done this?
Hmmm, I would not do this. That copper compound can turn into a hard paste. I seem to remember reading about this. If I find the details, I'll post em
Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:21 am
by Nick Gibson
Copper compound is an anti-sieze product to be used between two non-moving parts. Ie nut and bolt. You should not use it as a grease to lubricate moving parts, then it turn to a hard sticky goo. I use copper compound on all nuts and bolts to do with my brakes and wheel nuts (actually all nuts and bolts on my paj for that matter), so that they do not sieze up on me in the bundu if I need to remove anything... I think using it between rim and hub would work well to prevent them binding due to slight surface corrosion on the brake disc.
On another note, have you had your tyres rotated in the 40 000km you have had them- that is very low milage for tyres??
I also think your rim would have come off more easily if you rotate your tyres every 10 000km like good practice suggests. What pressure are you running your tyres at??
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Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:38 pm
by REAList
I intend to get a bord to spread the load and to prevent the jack from sinking into soft sand. Everything nowadays is made in China so I dont worry too much about that.
I did not rotate the tyres every 10 k but the wear is pretty much the same between the front / back tyres. I do agree that rotation every 10k should solve the problem of sticky rims.
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Re: Hydraulic jack problems
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:50 pm
by KaiV
I know what Copper slip is.
I cannot find the article, but using copper slip (and even grease) on items that can get very hot (ie wheel nuts) is not recommended. That stuff can turn into a sticky gooyi gunk that will strip the threads. M2CW
I still dont understand the need for a hammer to remove the wheel???