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Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:41 am
by JohanV
i think me and christiaan have already twisted and flex our Pajero's bodies beyond repair. but still have no issues with doors not opening or body panels that moved. can even still get the bonnet open
if all else fails i'll go to the Hennops 4x4 trail and change my tyre in the twister area
what was interesting to me is that at crawl speed both Gen3 and Gen4 had the nack of lifting its skirt to everyone around
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:56 am
by 4ePikanini
based on this crash test the monocoque chassis looks very strong to me. Just the crumple zones deform as designed.
Youtube Link
...and after a quick search I couldn't find any crash test videos or reports either (on youtube or euro ncap) about a competing appliance

Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:49 pm
by Mcnoogle
Well,
Looking at whats being said, The Guys at 4x4 mega-world told Steve the rear hinges are 'over engineered' (much stronger than prados etc) according to the test report posted, Pajero have obviously engineered the monocoque to withstand pressures that would twist even 'conventional 4x4s' (I read this as Ladder Frame Chassis).
I cant imagine that lifting (even 1 corner of a pajero would produce 31 KN, as a straight up lift would never amount to the weight of the Pajero (unless your somehow lifting from the dead center of the Pajero) whereas, as we all know, if youre bogged down, the weight pulled can probably almost double (I exaggerate, but you get the point) the weight of the pajero. But then that has to be measured against the pulling action as apposed to lifting from one point which exerts a different kind of twisting pressure on the chassis, I imagine it would amount to much the same (to be on the same side) so even then, its obviously not a problem.
What I take home from this (once again) most informative post, is that the boys at Pajero have put some emphasis on 'over-engineering'
wherever they could to make sure they produce a really tough 4x4, which they have well succeeded in doing, and that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
How many other manufacturers can boast a monocoque that could withstand most twisting pressure than a rugged ladder frame chassis.
Go Pajero.
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:12 pm
by 4ePikanini
I don't understand what the fuss is about. Lightweight "plat" cars are jacked at a corner to change a wheel and they suffer no ill effects. Even accidents sometimes render the ancillaries wrecked but the frame intact.
More so, what would a pajero be capable of?
Sounds like the usual brand bad mouthing opinion which carries no weight over facts!
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:04 am
by HBannink
4ePikanini wrote:I don't understand what the fuss is about. Lightweight "plat" cars are jacked at a corner to change a wheel and they suffer no ill effects. Even accidents sometimes render the ancillaries wrecked but the frame intact.
More so, what would a pajero be capable of?
Sounds like the usual brand bad mouthing opinion which carries no weight over facts!
That is just the problem, I know of a few plat karre that would bend beyond if you lifted them on any point other than the dedicated "hard" points, Audi comes to mind amongst others.
I think it is more a case of getting used to the idea and treating the vehicle with respect as the days of 200% over engineering are over.
My first 4x4 had a ladder chassis with blade springs all round, it also had a carburetor and distributor with a low compression and a loooong stroke to run on just about any flammable liquid with the incredible capacity of 2.25l. When the next model came out with coil springs it was seen as a step backward regardless of the fact that articulation was vastly improved and when distributors and carburettors were replaced with electronics ....well lets just say that was the start of the soft roader

My present baby is many times more reliable than that one and the ride comfort is a gazillion times more and compared to a gen 4 she is an antique, times change and if we have to listen to the naysayers like ASPW we would all still be driving series landys

Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:11 am
by SimonB
vvandam wrote:Won't mounting the hi-lift on the spare wheel cause extra load and wear on the door hinges? The jack weighs a ton
I have carried 2 bicycles around on a bike rack mounted to my spare wheel for years with no ill effects. These are about the same weight as a jack and the bike rack probably puts MORE strain on the door than the jack would do due to the leverage the rack has.
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:21 am
by KaiV
steve wrote:.....by the way, spoke to an off road accessory dealer today who said the hi lift jack must never be used on a pajero as the chassis will bend !!! as it has a mono cromo whats it thingy chassis

WTF !!! .....................
Careful not to use a jack to change a tire either
I do agree to a certain degree, but common sense needs to prevail.
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:34 am
by vvandam
This is how I've mounted my Hi-Lift.....using a mounting from FrontRunner
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:41 am
by tonton
He he he...
I like this part:
Re: What Now !! where to put hi lift jack;no rack;no bullbar
Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:16 pm
by JohanV
tonton wrote:He he he...
i have a black canvas spare wheel cover and busy with the printers so they can do that exact same logo "Dont follow" on the spare wheel cover for me
i like it when fellow members done the same
edit:
this is the logo i sent them to blow up to spare wheel cover size

- sparewheel cover